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noabsolutes wrote in wow_ladies
Hi wow_ladies!!




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It's worth to mention that "we doing this to rid forums from trolls" is a red herring.

From forum annuncement (important parts bolded):

With the launch of the new Battle.net, it’s important to us to create a new and different kind of online gaming environment -- one that’s highly social, and which provides an ideal place for gamers to form long-lasting, meaningful relationships. All of our design decisions surrounding Real ID -- including these forum changes -- have been made with this goal in mind.

We’ve given a great deal of consideration to the design of Real ID as a company, as gamers, and as enthusiastic users of the various online-gaming, communication, and social-networking services that have become available in recent years. As these services have become more and more popular, gamers have become part of an increasingly connected and intimate global community – friendships are much more easily forged across long distances, and at conventions like PAX or our own BlizzCon, we’ve seen first-hand how gamers who may have never actually met in person have formed meaningful real-life relationships across borders and oceans. As the way gamers interact with one another continues to evolve, our goal is to ensure Battle.net is equipped to handle the ever-changing social-gaming experience for years to come.

And then there is acebook Armory app.

And then we have Battle.net and Facebook integration:

I would assume that the Facebook relationship would be used to draw more casual game players to Blizzard's games.
Absolutely. Our goal and vision in this partnership is to really to cross-populate the social networks and to easily find and add your friends from Facebook onto the new Battle.net service as the first step and extending it to other features in the future. … Later on, of course, we have lots of things we are talking about with Facebook. We haven't announced anything specific, but we have lots of ideas about ways to cross-populate and share data between the two services.

Do you expect any push back from diehard Blizzard fans from the Facebook features?
We don't anticipate any. We are going to be very clear and upfront with the user. Once they log in and create a Battle.net account for the first time, if they choose to participate in Real ID, it is of course, an optional set of features that you don't have to participate in. Beyond that we are going to notify them upfront their names could be used to populate via Facebook and how their names could be used via this Facebook feature.

"We don't anticipate any", my ass! "an optional set of features that you don't have to participate in"!

If they had left it fully optional in all aspects, there would have been no trouble about this at all.

I think the commenting on the official post is finally starting to slow down, a full 48 hours after the initial post, and almost that long since any blue poster has commented on the thread.

Since then there's been some word that they intend to go forward with this, even though they are "hearing feedback." I think that means their business losses are acceptable to them and they are learning how to avoid certain mistakes the next time they announce a massive breach of trust and privacy, but I could be wrong.

They've learned to release the expansion, grab the money, then announce the big change?

I agree with you though. I think the business people are blinded by the dollar signs and insist on implementing this. It's going to take mass cancellations that don't return for Cataclysm or a court case to make them reconsider.

ilaniel, I've already said this elsewhere, but you are an awesome person for doing this. Thank you, not only for being bold enough to take a stand, but for letting us be a part of it. Thank you for giving us the chance to be heard. <3

And to the mod team, y'all ROCK. Seriously, your handling of this mess, giving us a place to post our thoughts on this without completely flooding the community, has been terrific. Thank you for all the master posts and all the effort you've put forth to keep all this stuff together!

Hearts all around.

I canceled both our accounts today. We were leaning that way but last night's raid, with 8/10 members (who are all male and white, I might add) mocking me on vent for being upset about this issue, just sealed the deal. The only person who didn't? The other female in our 10 man who has been stalked by creepy guys, harassed, etc because she has a "sexy voice" on vent.

My rage and disbelief at their dismissal of my concerns as "overreacting" just cemented the fact that while I might know some generally good, decent guys in WoW, they won't ever get what it feels like, they can't ever understand and they have no problem with people knowing their names cause they're big, strong guys. /sarcasm

So yeah. 5 years of playing WoW and I'm done. Cause this? This is bullshit. And I won't put us through it. Our safety is worth more than $30 a month and a "we're trying to stop trolls!", Blizzard.

The general level of civility from other players in WoW has been steadily declining over the last couple of years. And I realized not long ago that most of the people I used to have fun raiding with have slowly filtered out and been replaced, one by one, with people I don't really know or like all that much. And, yeah, I've seen one of my guildies in the megapost openly ridiculing RealID opposers (there's opponents and then there are jeerers, but only a few actual supporters), and it makes me feel that much less welcome among the people I used to call my peers in WoW.

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I just wrote my blurb in the "tell your stories" thread. I am seriously tearing up right now. ;_;

*hugs her druid and hunter tightly* I DON'T WANNA GIVE THEM UP D: D: D:

I won't be cancelling my account. For a lot of reasons.

I actually don't feel like justifying them here, nor do I feel like being jumped on by people.

No, I don't think RealID is no big deal, or a good idea.

It seems now like all of the mods and a good chunk of the community won't be playing WoW anymore, so I'm not really sure what's going to happen in the community.

I'll be honest, of all places, right now I don't feel like it's okay to talk about WoW in wow-ladies without a page and a half of excuses first, and that sucks.

Just my 2 copper, whatever, come at me, etc.

Yeah. I still enjoy this game, and I post on the forums perhaps once a year, so this really doesn't bother me that much. I don't get how this is really any different than having a facebook, or having ever done anything notable in life to let you be found through a google search. The price we pay for using the interbutts is an inevitable loss of privacy. If people already have internet stalkers on WoW without (theoretically) giving out their real names, then they must have found you guys SOMEhow.

That said, do I think this is a necessary move on Activision's part? No. Will people still be trollin', even under their real names? Yes. Is it an odd invasion of privacy? Sure. Maybe all the hysterics will cause them to change it, maybe not. I just know that I'll continue playing, and uh, yeah, what exactly will this community be about if y'all are boycotting WoW?

Slightly snarky-sounding (but truly meant) aside, I wish people would get this arsed to do something over the oil spill or LGBT rights or saving animals or whatever you believe in. It's a little sad to watch people get so spun up over this.

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I discovered the downside to my mother's awesome "Pay for Silver's WoW Sub for a year for Christmas!!" awesomeness. If I cancel right now they won't feel it in the pocket until December.


BUT. I did cancel my plans to xfer 2 of my toons, as well as some purchases from the store, and sent a civil e-mail to them explaining how much they'd lost and why.

(I still feel really, really shitty about this mess, poor partner has been on high-cuddle alert and I'm actually losing sleep over it)

Well. They will still receive a statement that you cancelled your account. And you can still put RealID in the reasons.

It'll be another drop in the bucket of numbers of "cancelled accounts," which are piling up. They will see it.

I feel like that amongst the sea of our responses, this might have already been said, but I'm going to say it anyway:

The gaming industry has been trying to attract women to it, right? Since in the past, the gaming industry has been dominated by men.




derp derp.

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This does not surprise me. I've seen too many companies go downhill as soon as the beancounters take over. When everything is about money, the company loses its soul.

I just cancelled my account in the hopes they change this. I really can't just quit right now - WoW has been my friend for the past five years and all of my friends within the game have been my support for the past five years through some brutal things. I can't let go just yet.

I'm glad my boyfriend isn't awake because it's already been a really fucking brutal week and I'm still here snuffling and crying.

I want to give you a hug so bad rn, seriously.

*hands over a tissue helplessly*

My mom asked me to post this (she's not reading this community but wanted to contribute when I was chatting with her about it).

I think I understand what is being said here and I am in sympathy with those from vulnerable minorities who feel threatened. Something I have not heard discussed is the theme of exploitation. Some years ago a family member decided to have a career change and sell insurance. He came to us and asked for contact information for our family and friends and we declined. He wanted to exploit our friendship circle for marketing purposes and we, quite rightly, protected our family and friends from him.

If I understand correctly Blizzard has made a deal with Facebook that they will give them my family and friends contact information so it can be exploited for Blizzard’s marketing purposes. That is they will do that if I am so foolish as to opt for real ID and use the same information for both Facebook and Blizzard (a hazard I am glad I avoided). So there are two culprits here: Blizzard who is strong-arming me to provide them with contacts to exploit is one. The other is Facebook who are apparently ready to give up my contacts list to Blizzard – for money? Or what? In any case Facebook is prepared to betray me and my family and friends, to allow them to be exploited for marketing purposes. That is just sleazy. I understand that comments are mounting in the 10’s of thousands and most are negative. Good. Now let’s tackle it from the other side. I am going to delete all the information I can from my Facebook account (which I am now sorry I have). The next step would be a massive outcry to Facebook. And Canadians, let’s see what the privacy commissioner has to say about this exploitation.

I was all set to delete my FB account too over this as I suspected the FB integration had something to do with it, and then I realised most of my organising for my wedding reception was on there, and by the time I had everyone's details set, the damn thing would be over.

I will be deleting it, but not for six weeks, by which time I think the point may have been lost *headdesk*

(PS: Your mother is AWESOME)

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Sorry for commenting YET AGAIN - but can we add a "RealID Comics" section to the master post? I know I saw two of them yesterday, but now I can only find one: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20100707 .

The one I was looking for depicted what was next AFTER RealID on the forums -- I think it alluded to WoW turning into Farmville.

http://www.stopblizzrealid.org/ - this got posted over on the General forum thread.

Oh holy crap something else just occured to me (and apologies if someone already brought this up, in which case please point me at it).

Character assassination. Someone signs up a new account under someone else's name and goes to town on the forums knowing it's all under their name and will be google/searchable.

I just... ngggggh!!

Hell, it's already happening now.

Yanno all those people who are posting "HA HA REAL ID IS NOTHING AND I'LL PROVE IT HERE'S MY NAME [name] AND I DARE YOU TO FIND ME" in the huge WoW forums thread? I bet you nine times out of ten that it's some kid with a grudge against someone at their school posting their name so that their bullying can be done for them.

Yanno, proving the point on how incredibly horrible this is.