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NEW [MASTER] REALID POST
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noabsolutes wrote in wow_ladies
Hi wow_ladies! By now many of you know that Blizzard Did A Dumb yesterday and announced upcoming changes the the forums, which actually all sound great except for the minor detail that your real name is going to be attached to all posts in the forums.

*recordscratch.wav*

The post about this yesterday by the wonderful fledglingoflove has reached over 1200 comments, making it nearly 3x as big as our second most-commented post ever. Clearly we all have something to say about this, and the mods think it wise to keep this info close to the top of the page as possible since wow_ladies moves pretty fast. Please contain your comments on RealID to either this post or the one yesterday by fledglingoflove. Duplicate posts will be deleted in order to provide a more fluid browsing experience for everyone.

NOTE: These changes are NOT retroactive and will occur once the Cataclysm forums are live. This feature will go live earlier for players of Starcraft II.

VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT LINK TO BLUE POSTER BASHIOK'S PERSONAL INFORMATION. WOW_LADIES DOES NOT WISH TO BE PART OF THE PROBLEM

ALSO PLEASE NOTE THAT A NEW MASTER POST IS UP! JOIN THE ONGOING DISCUSSION HERE





LINKS AND INFORMATION:






Will Blues have their info posted? Our sources say YES-

via reservoir- @wolvzor on Twitter: "After a talk with Blizzard phone reps, turns out BLUES will NOT have real names posted in the forums due to "Security Concerns." #Blizzard & a WoW.com post on the rumor-

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EU CM Wryxian (via fledglingoflove) :
So you're selectively ignoring what we're saying and jumping to conclusions? Well, in that case, let me restate because I thought it was already clear from the previous times we answered this question and from the original message ("With this change, you’ll see blue posters (i.e. Blizzard employees) posting by their real first and last names on our forums as well."). We will be posting in the new style forums, and because choosing to post in the new forums means that you display your real name, we too will display our real name. [Source]


US CM Nethaera (via sophiaserpentia):
Just to set the record straight here, our original statement stands and all Blizzard Employees will be using their real names in posts as we announced. This has not changed and as always, should this change, we will be sure to post about it.

Keep in mind, on our end, we have had our names credited within the manual and games for some time. This has not changed and has been available information. Also keep in mind that this does not excuse any forms of bullying or fearmongering that is being perpetrated by select individuals who oppose this change. [Source]


I think we can consider this matter closed, but I'm going to keep this info up for now as I have a feeling this rumor will persist.




How to contact Blizz:

Snail mail address:

Blizzard Entertainment
P.O. Box 18979
Irvine, CA 92612

Information from their ESRB policy:

If you have any questions or wish to file a complaint, please feel free to e-mail us at privacy@blizzard.com, call us at (949) 955-1382, or send a letter addressed to Blizzard Entertainment Privacy Policy, Attention: Privacy Policy Administrator, at 16215 Alton Pkwy. Irvine CA 92618-3616.

Blizzard, through its parent company, is a licensee of the ESRB's Privacy Online Program. If you believe that we have not responded to your inquiry or your inquiry has not been satisfactory addressed, please contact ESRB directly at http://www.esrb.org/privacy/contact.jsp or:

ESRB Privacy Online
Attn: Director, Privacy Online
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privacy@esrb.org




For those of you on Twitter, wow_ladies members are using #WoWFail, #Blizzardfail, and #realid




USEFUL BLOG POSTS
(keep tossing these to me please, and be patient - I'm consistently about 100 notifs behind in my inbox)


ETA #1:
The most arrogant blue post ever written, holy shit, thank you reservoir

ETA #2 "If you really do read all posts in this thread and others, like we are doing, then you will see some examples of what I was meaning by "scare-mongering". There are posts from some people who are either confused by the changes or generally uncertain, and they are getting understandably scared and then posting in a way that scares other people in the process." Thank you phoenix_singing, for digging this 'clarification' of 'scare-mongering' up for us




What can you do? what9000 has written a compelling argument for canceling your account (if only briefly). Did you cancel your account over this? Join the conversation here! Want a badge for your troubles? Thank popehippo for creating THIS




For those of you in a petition-signing mood, noelove has brought this to our attention.

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US forums post is over 1000 now. @_@
I don't anticipate hearing anything from Blizz until 8am PST. After that, they better have a blue post up asap.

iawtc

SO far only 4 of the posts in the official thread were Blue posts. Fuck, even MVPs were saying "when this hits, I'm out, sorry" and they were keeping mum.

This is buried on page 9(!) in the old post but it needs to be here:

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816838128&sid=1&pageNo=203#4053

"We have been planning this change for a very long time. During this time, we have thought ahead about the scope and impact of this change and predicted that many people would no longer wish to post in the forums after this change goes live. We are fine with that, because we want to change these forums dramatically in a positive and more constructive direction.

It's been very obvious over the last few years that the forums are an exceptionally valuable source of information both for players and for us to gather feedback. There are many threads on this forum now, and over the last few years, that people have been constructively discussing many aspects of the game. They've received new wisdom and have then been able to go back to the game and enjoy it further with the new knowledge acquired through the forums.

These threads, however, can often be lost amongst a great deal of other threads that are basically filled with trolling, name calling, flaming, off-topic conversations and that's just a small amount of some of the content that has been found in these forums over the years. We don't want that anymore, and we believe the Real ID change will bring about a lot of the improvement that we are hoping for.

There's a lot of scare-mongering going on about the change, but there seems a need to make something very clear. The forums have always been an optional extra -- something you can choose to participate in if you wish to. With our Real ID changes for the forums, this is still the case. The only difference will be, if you do choose to participate in the forums, then you will do so by using your real name. But only after you've been warned and accepted this in advance."

I can't get over the arrogance there.

I don't understand how they manage to NOT listen to 1000 pages of comments that say THIS IS BAD DON'T DO THIS.

Someone on the Europe forums, I don't have the link as I'm on my phone, brought up that this breaks Dutch ata protection laws, I also believe it breaks the British Data Protection Act. The blue post they had in reply just said they couldn't deal with legal issues on the forums.

I know posting members of wow.com have stated they've got in touch with the British agency that deals with Data Protection issues.


I am actually gonna looking into it right now as I also heard that it indeed does break the Dutch law in some way. As soon as my dad is home I will ask him about it since he deals with this kind of legal stuff all day long.

I can't really believe this is happening. It's just so wrong. If it goes into place I am canceling my account, because this level of stupidity and uncaring is not something I wish to support with my dollars. :/

It popped up on Fandom Wank too - http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1252358.html

The commenters are usually encouraged to be neutral and laugh at both sides, but they all seem to be in agreement that this shit is bananas and joining the the 'WHY BLIZZARD, WHY??!!' sentiments.

God, I love it when Fandom Wank agrees. It just makes me feel so fulfilled.


Is it just me or it's as if they're saying "This is how it's going to be, too bad if you don't like it, we're doing it anyway" ??

What the hell?

I think that's what they are saying.

Thank you for making a new thread -- maybe my email inbox will get to breathe a little today :D

You can go back to the original post and choose to not recieve email notification for the responses to your post.

I'm pretty much speechless besides what I said in the other thread. If it's made necessary in some form besides the forums - where I don't post, I'm done. Game over. I'll find another game to enjoy and that's that.

I'm lucky enough that googling my name doesn't bring anything up related to me but I'm sure doing -other- stuff will, and I honestly don't need that stress with my social anxiety shit going on. I play this game to relax, unwind and kill stuff, not to worry.

Edited at 2010-07-07 01:39 pm (UTC)

I know I'm a little overly suspicious, but I can't help but think that the people trying to push this through predicted this response from the community. Instead of actually doing this, they will "compromise" and have a less extreme version of privacy invasion.

For many of the same reasons others cited, I'm against having my real name associated with anything I do on Blizzard. My name is unusual in that when I am Googled, you find... me and that's about it. It would affect my prospects in finding a job. I hate to say that I am embarrassed about a hobby -- because I'm not -- but there is a stigma associated with MMORPGs, especially in non-technical careers.

And that's bare minimum, not even including the more terrifying stalker situations that I've read about, though luckily have not experienced.

Actually, it reminds me of this scene in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, which was funny when I first saw it -- and now strikes me as scary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjWFZPJZTxU

"I hate to say that I am embarrassed about a hobby -- because I'm not -- but there is a stigma associated with MMORPGs, especially in non-technical careers. "

Totally hear you on this. I'm so sick of people thinking I'm a lazy slacker who lives in the basement and eats hot pockets and has no job. That gaming stereotype is so 10 years ago. I'm sick of having to hide/minimize the fact that I play WoW from my friends/coworkers/family, because they'll just be like "lol games are dumb, you're a nerd with no life."

Copying over what I just posted in the original thread (on page 9, lulz):

"Okay another brainwave from yours truly:

Blizzard doesn't seem to grasp the concept that all it takes to ruin someone's life is just ONE person. Yes, the forums could be filled with happy and helpful and loving people (haha yeah right) and there could STILL be one creeper who wants to find someone to stalk. This is why the RealID is such a bad idea. I have no doubt that most WoW players are very nice and decent people. However, I also have no doubt that there are also a fuckton of massive idiots and/or creepers who would like nothing more than to stalk a young woman online or iRL.

I repeat: ALL IT TAKES IS ONE. One ex-boyfriend, one asshole nerdraging because you undercut him on the AH, or just one plain old pedophile browsing the interwebz for some fresh meat. ONE.

I simply cannot understand the logic of this change. It makes absolutely no sense. *sigh*"

QFT.

Haven't we all come accross jerks while playing WoW? Weither it was someone being an idiot in Barrens chat or in LFG. Like you said, just takes one person to mess it all up.

I'm REALLY worried people will use this new change to do some harm rather than some good.

u_______u''

Facebook?

Really, Blizzard? The future of gaming is Facebook?

Try saying that out loud. No. Do it.

There. Doesn't that sound ridiculous?

If it doesn't (and it appears you don't think it does, Blizzard), then you need to pause for a moment and think really really hard and, oh hey here's a thought, listen to your players for once.

/rantrage.

Imagine: WarcraftVille: where you can buy lovely clothes for your avatar, grow crops, defend your territory from enemy forces, and go visit your neighbor's homes and help them with with their chores. Plus, you can send all of your Facebook friends presents, so they will become your neighbors too. (If they don't defriend you, out of annoyance.)

But the more neighbors you have, the better you'll do. Also, there's a cash store where you can buy everything that you would have had to farm for in the past: vanity pets, mounts, the +770 vorpal staff of noob-slaying, and the Piccolo of the Flaming Fire.

So, what is the most commented post in this community?

The post yesterday. The runner up is the RL Pictures Post at 471 comments.

No, Blizzard. No.

It's like they're rolling up in a van full of candy and telling us we need to get in to use their forums, and then arrogantly telling us we're "scare-mongering" when we say we do not want this change.


Why was the first thing I had to think of when reading this "ITS THE BANGBUS".

First... Battle.net, where you must use your e-mail as your login, is introduced and is optional. Then... mandatory.
Second... RealID, which discloses your RL first and last name is introduced and is optional, intended (accord to Blizzard) to chat with your RL friends and/or other people you TRUST. Then... mandatory for forum participation.

Does anyone else see a pattern here? I see some mods trying to drive this point home: "We would also like to remind all players that Real ID is a completely voluntary and optional service," but are they too dim to see what's happening? Blizzard says they "have a long-term vision for the Real ID service."

This is just the beginning.

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I'm so angry. :( And after reading the official forums, I need to vent about the whole "well you don't HAVE to post on the forums". Providing you actually don't need to go over there for tech support, sure, you do not have to post. But what does that mean for players marginalized in gaming culture?

At the very least, we're offered a voice via anonymity. And even if the presumed default is "male" in male-majority spaces, we are offered choices. We can hide our gender, race, etc. or decide to disclose it. If one of our characters gets constantly harassed because we've disclosed this information somewhere, we can ignore the harassers in-game. On the forums, it's easy enough to make another character and post under her/him.

But with the intended REAL ID forum posting thing, we won't have these choices anymore. And if we don't post, or if we get harassed when we do post, then what happens? Groups that are identifiable as the non-default (white, male) due to their names are marginalized even further and are allowed no voice at all. Either we don't voice our opinions at all, or we put ourselves at risk of getting stalked in real life. At best, posts made by women will only result in 439568540 comments about getting back in the kitchen.

So besides simply having to deal with the very real possibility of harassment, we also get to see a gaming space become even more overwhelmingly and openly male. And I know that's not as big a deal, on the personal level, as harassment, but as far as issues of representation are concerned this really fucking ticks me off.

This.

Currently, people only have your character to go on, and however you make yourself percived. Insults can lrgely be dismissed, and you know they know nothing about you personally. (Even if they hit a mark, it's a 'lucky guess' that you won't admit to).

With your real name on display, it gets a LOT more personal. I know a couple people that have very obvious middle-eastern names. I mangine the shit they'd get with todays society?

Not meaning to come across as a stickler or Awful Person(tm) here, but I am highly and awfully amused how you forgot the "S" in "snail mail" in that post. Evil things live in my mind, I know.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

Given how riled up people are, though, "nail mail" seems very appropriate!

holy hell. I read the articles that were linked in that website. I cannot believe some of the crap that one girl went through.

disgusting. sad.

My biggest fear is that enough players who "don't care" and think this is the direction to move will keep the game afloat long enough for the Facebook attracted players to revitalize what this decision damaged and things continue unchecked and this gets to establish the trend that this kind of change is a good thing for an MMO community. :(

IAWTC. And I think, in this regard, that the people who are going to be hurt the most by this long-term are young people--teens particularly--who don't understand that employers will use this against them. Employers SHOULDN'T use these things against job applicants, but they will. I just keep having visions of a young woman/man 10 years from now who can't figure out why s/he can't get a job despite great qualifications, and then doing a search and finding the first 100 links to them on the WoW forums.

Even at this early hour, their servers are too busy to post my reply.

Not wanting to hit people with wall of text, first part of my Real ID Saga blog post is here:Real ID Saga Part One: Silencing Voices

I am furious about this change, and furious at the people that think because it doesn't effect them, it doesn't matter.

Edited at 2010-07-07 02:13 pm (UTC)

Keep us updated on your saga posts!

# NOTE: These changes are NOT retroactive #

...yet. Blizzard's privacy policy used to have "we won't share your personal information with third parties" part. I do not believe anymore any Blizzard's claims about how they won't do something harmful for their clients.

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Please do not link anything with his address and phone number and real life personal information. I'm gonna go ahead and screen this.

Okay. Seriously, Acti-Blizzard.... fuck off with your Facebook.

I pay you to not be Facebook. I am not a schlubby anything that plays Farmville, I'm a raider.

And lemme tell you, Blizz, that the average Farmville player won't be successful in raids no matter how much they roll their faces against the keyboard. Your playerbase will fucking hate you for infecting us with Farmville dorks and the Facebook assholes with their DuckLips photos at bars. Those are the types of people that I grew up avoiding because they are massive pricks. They're one of the reasons I play wow.

This continues to piss me off in ways that are just simply unspeakable. I'm not looking forward to eventually quitting this game when they connect RealID mandatory in-game or to the armory.

Just wait... in Cata, we'll beat bosses by clicking on them 24 times and then asking all our RealID friends to send us Dragon Repellent (Which you can buy yourself for 50 WoWbucks).

Blizzard needs a gif of Garrosh with the sunglasses falling from the sky that says DEAL WITH IT.

You know, while I realize how stupid and awful this change is, at first I wasn't sure this would be leaving-the-game-worthy on my part, because I am an extremely casual forum poster at best and it wouldn't affect me personally to not use them.

But reading all these comments, these links, this whole 'social networking' thing, this slippery slope we seem to be madly careening down is scaring me. It's making me want to cancel my account, which is sad because I'd just started enjoying it again in the last few weeks. I didn't sign up for Facebook!WoW. I don't want that anywhere near my game. I have zero RealID friends (not even my boyfriend) and even though I have close in-game friends, I always intended to keep it that way. I have a very unique name and through google someone could easily find me and information about my family which I just don't want people to know.

TL;DR UGH BLIZZ Y U DO DIS

I completely agree; I don't recall the last time I posted on the official forums, and I can easily give up posting on the official forums. I am REALLY concerned with where this might eventually go, though. No, I don't want WoW reporting my in-game moves to Facebook. I really don't. I try to keep my gaming life separate; it's something I do for fun and really is no one's business.

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